Well, that's it, then
The Senate has chosen not to represent me.
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Put it this way: If they had voted him out and Lie-baby decided to vote against the Democrats in the future as a result?
Then he's just as unprincipled as we say he is.
Then he's just as unprincipled as we say he is.
Remember -- each of those senators is there to represent their states -- as is Lieberman.
Since we'd like for people in Connecticut to vote Democratic in future elections -- it's probably best to let them "punish" their own senators.
Remaining in his official positions doesn't mean those positions have to afford him any privilege in the Democratic party. And well -- come next election -- "the Democrats were rude to me when we caucassed and they didn't invite me to their informal meetings" doesn't make for a good campaign slogan.
Since we'd like for people in Connecticut to vote Democratic in future elections -- it's probably best to let them "punish" their own senators.
Remaining in his official positions doesn't mean those positions have to afford him any privilege in the Democratic party. And well -- come next election -- "the Democrats were rude to me when we caucassed and they didn't invite me to their informal meetings" doesn't make for a good campaign slogan.
Allowing him to remain in that position is affording him privilege in the Democratic party.
I'll say it again; regardless of whether he kept that position or not, if the outcome of today's vote changed one vote he makes then he's as unprincipled as I think he is.
It's not "vindictive" to take away his chairmanship. He's not a Democrat! He actively campaigned for a Republican. He's not "the 60th vote" (that's a cop out).
The voters in CT have already rejected him as a Democrat. The Democrats just told the state of CT one of two things in return.
1) That's OK, you don't need to follow the rules, or
2) We don't care what you think.
I can't decide which.
I'll say it again; regardless of whether he kept that position or not, if the outcome of today's vote changed one vote he makes then he's as unprincipled as I think he is.
It's not "vindictive" to take away his chairmanship. He's not a Democrat! He actively campaigned for a Republican. He's not "the 60th vote" (that's a cop out).
The voters in CT have already rejected him as a Democrat. The Democrats just told the state of CT one of two things in return.
1) That's OK, you don't need to follow the rules, or
2) We don't care what you think.
I can't decide which.
You're right, Timb. They should have thrown da bum out.
Are the Dems going to invite Zell "(LBJ is)a Southerner who sold his birthright for a mess of dark pottage" Miller back?
Are the Dems going to invite Zell "(LBJ is)a Southerner who sold his birthright for a mess of dark pottage" Miller back?
Comment from: billy b [Member]
I would like for Lie-by to be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail.
Obama took the high road and said Joe should stay.
But Liebermann shouldn't push it. I don't think he'll be bringing up the ambassadorship to Israel.
Obama would laugh his ass off while Emmanuel would be giving Joe some choice words in Hebrew.
But Liebermann shouldn't push it. I don't think he'll be bringing up the ambassadorship to Israel.
Obama would laugh his ass off while Emmanuel would be giving Joe some choice words in Hebrew.
I don't know if you guys remember this, but I've said it many times.
I'm not a democrat.
I register as a democrat so I can vote in the primaries.
For the past few years I've been forced to vote democratic because the GOP is so completely over the top batfuck insane.
But now the Democrats have the house, and a big majority in the Senate. Their excuses are gone. (Don't give me that "filibuster" shit now, Dems. I'm not gonna buy it. Nuke the fuckin' senate, if you have to. The GOP would have.)
There's no Bush waiting in the wings to veto anything they do manage to get passed.
It's very much shit or get off the pot time.
We voted for change(TM), and we'd God Damned well get more than 2 dimes and a nickel back for all the work and money we poured into this.
(I just had a Machiavellian idea, but it'll never happen: Obama should appoint Lie-baby to some post long enough for him to be replaced, then fire his droopy ass.)
Ultimately, the bullshit about the Democrats needing Lie-baby to get to 60 is not only speculative bullshit, it's lying bullshit. There's nothing to stop Lie-baby from voting with the Democrats, and if he votes against his own principles and the interests of his state (again) just because they stripped him of this chair he's fucking DONE in the Senate.
Or at least he should be, but with this "good old boy" senate who can tell?
Personally, I think it's probably got more to do with how much money he can bring in than anything to do with how many seats "the Democrats" hold. They need 51 to hold the chairmanships. It'll take more than 30 progressives, 25 blue dogs, a handful of "others", and the 40 remaining hard-core extremist Republicans to have a "filibuster proof" senate.
This is political theater and we should let them know we're on to them.
*muttering*
...buncha self-serving bastards...
I'm not a democrat.
I register as a democrat so I can vote in the primaries.
For the past few years I've been forced to vote democratic because the GOP is so completely over the top batfuck insane.
But now the Democrats have the house, and a big majority in the Senate. Their excuses are gone. (Don't give me that "filibuster" shit now, Dems. I'm not gonna buy it. Nuke the fuckin' senate, if you have to. The GOP would have.)
There's no Bush waiting in the wings to veto anything they do manage to get passed.
It's very much shit or get off the pot time.
We voted for change(TM), and we'd God Damned well get more than 2 dimes and a nickel back for all the work and money we poured into this.
(I just had a Machiavellian idea, but it'll never happen: Obama should appoint Lie-baby to some post long enough for him to be replaced, then fire his droopy ass.)
Ultimately, the bullshit about the Democrats needing Lie-baby to get to 60 is not only speculative bullshit, it's lying bullshit. There's nothing to stop Lie-baby from voting with the Democrats, and if he votes against his own principles and the interests of his state (again) just because they stripped him of this chair he's fucking DONE in the Senate.
Or at least he should be, but with this "good old boy" senate who can tell?
Personally, I think it's probably got more to do with how much money he can bring in than anything to do with how many seats "the Democrats" hold. They need 51 to hold the chairmanships. It'll take more than 30 progressives, 25 blue dogs, a handful of "others", and the 40 remaining hard-core extremist Republicans to have a "filibuster proof" senate.
This is political theater and we should let them know we're on to them.
*muttering*
...buncha self-serving bastards...
I don't mind Lieberman's pardon,
as long as Joe remembers to support
Kucinich's appointment to the Supreme Court, next year.
We'll see if that's the backroom promise they extracted on Jan. 21, when Stevens retires.
Edit: I was in too serious a mood last night and read that as "the person Kucinich nominates". I get it, this morning. Kucinich is the nominee. (I like it.)
Edit: I was in too serious a mood last night and read that as "the person Kucinich nominates". I get it, this morning. Kucinich is the nominee. (I like it.)
Comment from: billy b [Member]
I don't mind Lieberman's pardon,
as long as Joe remembers to support
Kucinich's appointment to the Supreme Court, next year.
Now that's what I'm talking about.
as long as Joe remembers to support
Kucinich's appointment to the Supreme Court, next year.
Now that's what I'm talking about.
Just one day after Lieberman was spared his comeupance,
some dude from al-Qaeda released a video calling Obama a "house slave", subtitled in english as "house negro".
It would have been funny if the subtitle said "Democrat".
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some dude from al-Qaeda released a video calling Obama a "house slave", subtitled in english as "house negro".
It would have been funny if the subtitle said "Democrat".
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